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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.liveworkdream.com/2008/10/28/beware-of-nazi-park-rangers/comment-page-1/#comment-18042</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 01:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen to that! Thanks for the comment Phil.

If you haven&#039;t already read it, sounds like you&#039;d certainly enjoy &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.liveworkdream.com/2011/05/01/local-flavor-learning-more-than-a-kodak-moment/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Desert Solitaire by Edward Abbey&lt;/a&gt;. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen to that! Thanks for the comment Phil.</p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t already read it, sounds like you&#8217;d certainly enjoy <a href="http://www.liveworkdream.com/2011/05/01/local-flavor-learning-more-than-a-kodak-moment/" rel="nofollow">Desert Solitaire by Edward Abbey</a>. <img src='http://www.liveworkdream.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: PhilGood</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhilGood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 01:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is an old post, but wanted to explain the park ranger system from a Colorado resident (and avid trekker/hiker/backpacker&#039;s) point of view. Park rangers have turned the great outdoors into tourist traps and their own backyard recreation areas which are attuned to their own city-boy/girl idea of living it up in nature. They have done great damage to many of the parks and natural resources they &quot;protect and serve&quot; by installing stairs, railings, and parking lots. Since many people would respond by pointing out how many tax dollars this brings in, I will say that the park ranger program looses hundreds of thousands of dollars every year and is funded by additional revenue streams. So they have turned nature into a playground for people who can&#039;t appreciate the effort it sometimes does take to reach majestic vistas, only how fast they can get there and back; have imposed a bunch of rules which make it more difficult for true outdoors people to enjoy nature the way it was meant to be enjoyed; &#039;develop&#039; nature (speaks for itself - think housing development); and loose money. Great job guys!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is an old post, but wanted to explain the park ranger system from a Colorado resident (and avid trekker/hiker/backpacker&#8217;s) point of view. Park rangers have turned the great outdoors into tourist traps and their own backyard recreation areas which are attuned to their own city-boy/girl idea of living it up in nature. They have done great damage to many of the parks and natural resources they &#8220;protect and serve&#8221; by installing stairs, railings, and parking lots. Since many people would respond by pointing out how many tax dollars this brings in, I will say that the park ranger program looses hundreds of thousands of dollars every year and is funded by additional revenue streams. So they have turned nature into a playground for people who can&#8217;t appreciate the effort it sometimes does take to reach majestic vistas, only how fast they can get there and back; have imposed a bunch of rules which make it more difficult for true outdoors people to enjoy nature the way it was meant to be enjoyed; &#8216;develop&#8217; nature (speaks for itself &#8211; think housing development); and loose money. Great job guys!</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 08:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ColoradoLE. GET a clue you &quot;whinny&quot;, badge heavy, chip on your dropping shoulders, knuckle-head.  You are an embarrassment to all who wear a badge.    Get back to your post guarding the mall parking lot.  I will restrain myself from posting what I really want to say.  If you are an officer I think your chief should take away your single bullet you are issued at beginning of each shift.  KNUCKLE HEAD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ColoradoLE. GET a clue you &#8220;whinny&#8221;, badge heavy, chip on your dropping shoulders, knuckle-head.  You are an embarrassment to all who wear a badge.    Get back to your post guarding the mall parking lot.  I will restrain myself from posting what I really want to say.  If you are an officer I think your chief should take away your single bullet you are issued at beginning of each shift.  KNUCKLE HEAD.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much for taking the time to post this thoughtful response. And yes, I do feel for those souls out there that live such angry lives full of hate and blame. Though &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tripawds.com/2008/11/01/saying-goodbye-how-we-knew-part-1/&quot; title=&quot;how we knew it was time to say goodbye&quot;&gt;Jerry is now gone&lt;/a&gt;, I can tell you&#039;re the kind of human he wouldn&#039;t mind rubbing his ears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for taking the time to post this thoughtful response. And yes, I do feel for those souls out there that live such angry lives full of hate and blame. Though <a href="http://www.tripawds.com/2008/11/01/saying-goodbye-how-we-knew-part-1/" title="how we knew it was time to say goodbye">Jerry is now gone</a>, I can tell you&#8217;re the kind of human he wouldn&#8217;t mind rubbing his ears.</p>
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		<title>By: Flagfoot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flagfoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, 

I&#039;m so sorry to hear about your terrible experience with both the State Patrol as well as the Rangers in Colorado.  I was a permanent California Park Ranger, and currently work as a Code Enforcement Officer in Colorado.

I have just a few comments here.  First, if you were pulled over by a State Trooper without probable cause, and it sounds like that was the case, that officer is guilty of violating your civil rights.  He should have immediately let you go after he determined that he was in error looking at your registration and apologized.  Legally he did not have authority to detain you for one minute further, and keeping you there longer to run your DL was ILLEGAL!

Secondly, let me next apologize for &quot;ColoardoLE&quot;.  He is correct that park rangers do not &quot;fail police exams&quot;; in fact some are held to higher expectations and education requirements than many cops.  When I was hired permanently as a ranger, Bachelor&#039;s Degrees in Park Management or Forestry was required.  I addition, I had spent years working seasonally for the National Park Service and as a Firefighter for the US Forest Service.  I believe that most police agencies require a high school diploma; some require a two-year degree.  Anyway, for ColoradoLE to insinuate that you did anything wrong is more a testament of a closed minded, biased, inwardly angry man.  Clearly he has no idea of the cultural and artistic diversity that comes from California and other liberal-thinking western states.  Also, I congratulate you on bringing your poor dog to CO for treatment.  I would walk to the ends of the earth to help my dog, your dog or even officer JerkWad&#039;s dog.  Our animals are members of our family and deserve just as much respect and consideration as any other being.  ColoradoLE can take comfort in his own, bitter little world.  

The truth is, yes rangers, as well as cops, can have attitude problems.  Perhaps your ranger was misinformed, or was just having a bad day.  None the less, rangering is much different than policing.  Rangers realize that park visitors are their customers, and they want them to return.  They must deal with park visitors, and the public, with sensitivity and an open mind.  You cannot walk into any situation with a chip on the shoulder or with a pre-conceived attitude before gathering the facts.  THAT’S what separates rangers from cops.  By the way, I would have contested that ticket if I were you, and filed a written complaint against the ranger with the attitude who threaten to arrest you.  

I think it&#039;s important to have sympathy and compassion for these folks (the ranger and ColoradoLE).  They live in angry worlds and hate and disgust for non-Colorado natives is part of their existence.  Be thankful that you live in a place where it&#039;s acceptable to live and let live.

Best wishes to you and your puppy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, </p>
<p>I&#8217;m so sorry to hear about your terrible experience with both the State Patrol as well as the Rangers in Colorado.  I was a permanent California Park Ranger, and currently work as a Code Enforcement Officer in Colorado.</p>
<p>I have just a few comments here.  First, if you were pulled over by a State Trooper without probable cause, and it sounds like that was the case, that officer is guilty of violating your civil rights.  He should have immediately let you go after he determined that he was in error looking at your registration and apologized.  Legally he did not have authority to detain you for one minute further, and keeping you there longer to run your DL was ILLEGAL!</p>
<p>Secondly, let me next apologize for &#8220;ColoardoLE&#8221;.  He is correct that park rangers do not &#8220;fail police exams&#8221;; in fact some are held to higher expectations and education requirements than many cops.  When I was hired permanently as a ranger, Bachelor&#8217;s Degrees in Park Management or Forestry was required.  I addition, I had spent years working seasonally for the National Park Service and as a Firefighter for the US Forest Service.  I believe that most police agencies require a high school diploma; some require a two-year degree.  Anyway, for ColoradoLE to insinuate that you did anything wrong is more a testament of a closed minded, biased, inwardly angry man.  Clearly he has no idea of the cultural and artistic diversity that comes from California and other liberal-thinking western states.  Also, I congratulate you on bringing your poor dog to CO for treatment.  I would walk to the ends of the earth to help my dog, your dog or even officer JerkWad&#8217;s dog.  Our animals are members of our family and deserve just as much respect and consideration as any other being.  ColoradoLE can take comfort in his own, bitter little world.  </p>
<p>The truth is, yes rangers, as well as cops, can have attitude problems.  Perhaps your ranger was misinformed, or was just having a bad day.  None the less, rangering is much different than policing.  Rangers realize that park visitors are their customers, and they want them to return.  They must deal with park visitors, and the public, with sensitivity and an open mind.  You cannot walk into any situation with a chip on the shoulder or with a pre-conceived attitude before gathering the facts.  THAT’S what separates rangers from cops.  By the way, I would have contested that ticket if I were you, and filed a written complaint against the ranger with the attitude who threaten to arrest you.  </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s important to have sympathy and compassion for these folks (the ranger and ColoradoLE).  They live in angry worlds and hate and disgust for non-Colorado natives is part of their existence.  Be thankful that you live in a place where it&#8217;s acceptable to live and let live.</p>
<p>Best wishes to you and your puppy.</p>
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		<title>By: Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 20:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that&#039;s pretty wild. I have a story too, but won&#039;t post it here! ;-) I don&#039;t want corrupt &#039;n cranky officers posting on MY blog;-)

Bryan and I have never had problems with rangers, in fact, I found that they went out of their way to help in many situations....all around great to deal with....very personable, friendly and *PROFESSIONAL*. However this ONE TIME, wow....it was shocking. Two of them at once park in New Orleans. They have a name you know....&#039;Power Rangers&#039;.  :-) Yeah, that pretty much sums them up. There&#039;s always one in a bunch, looks like you attracted a similar breed on your site....too bad. 

Fighting crime on the internet....well I guess they&#039;re more harmless that way!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that&#8217;s pretty wild. I have a story too, but won&#8217;t post it here! <img src='http://www.liveworkdream.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I don&#8217;t want corrupt &#8216;n cranky officers posting on MY blog;-)</p>
<p>Bryan and I have never had problems with rangers, in fact, I found that they went out of their way to help in many situations&#8230;.all around great to deal with&#8230;.very personable, friendly and *PROFESSIONAL*. However this ONE TIME, wow&#8230;.it was shocking. Two of them at once park in New Orleans. They have a name you know&#8230;.&#8217;Power Rangers&#8217;.  <img src='http://www.liveworkdream.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Yeah, that pretty much sums them up. There&#8217;s always one in a bunch, looks like you attracted a similar breed on your site&#8230;.too bad. </p>
<p>Fighting crime on the internet&#8230;.well I guess they&#8217;re more harmless that way!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 18:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, you&#039;re just a sour Californicator... Wait... Texan now, who likes to give poor police officers grief.  And Rene, oh, well she&#039;s a vicious one always getting into bar fights with bikers.

OK, all joking aside... I say.. WTF!

Like any person with a job, some people are stricktly by the book.  This morning I got a call from the sheriff&#039;s department (i&#039;m on call this weekend) because they were having a problem.  Turns out, that on weekends, we are told NOT to deal with these specific issues because of security.  Now I could have played it by the books and left this officer hanging, but instead I worked with her and got things working.  I went outside of standard procedures to resolve a problem. 

Not everyone does that.  Not everyone is flexible. 

We who know you and Rene know that you are two of the most mellow, non-trouble makers around.  we know that you like to make friends and avoid conflict.  It&#039;s clear that the couple who complained didn&#039;t quite understand why you were in the wrong site, and it&#039;s clear that the ranger felt not only pressure from the campers, but she was one of the inflexible ones. 

I&#039;d ignore ColoradoLE&#039;s post.  I&#039;m sure he deals with rude people all the time and just assumes that everyone is the same.  His attitude seems very isolationist, and he clearly feels that removing tourists / drivers from other states would make his life much easier.  What he fails to see is how without tourists / visitors, the economy of CO would tumble quite a bit, and those extra LE jobs wouldn&#039;t be needed. 

Good luck with your travels... and after hearing these stories... do you really want to move to CO?

Seriously you guys seem to be picking &quot;Hard core conservative Republican states&quot;... is there something you want to tell me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, you&#8217;re just a sour Californicator&#8230; Wait&#8230; Texan now, who likes to give poor police officers grief.  And Rene, oh, well she&#8217;s a vicious one always getting into bar fights with bikers.</p>
<p>OK, all joking aside&#8230; I say.. WTF!</p>
<p>Like any person with a job, some people are stricktly by the book.  This morning I got a call from the sheriff&#8217;s department (i&#8217;m on call this weekend) because they were having a problem.  Turns out, that on weekends, we are told NOT to deal with these specific issues because of security.  Now I could have played it by the books and left this officer hanging, but instead I worked with her and got things working.  I went outside of standard procedures to resolve a problem. </p>
<p>Not everyone does that.  Not everyone is flexible. </p>
<p>We who know you and Rene know that you are two of the most mellow, non-trouble makers around.  we know that you like to make friends and avoid conflict.  It&#8217;s clear that the couple who complained didn&#8217;t quite understand why you were in the wrong site, and it&#8217;s clear that the ranger felt not only pressure from the campers, but she was one of the inflexible ones. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d ignore ColoradoLE&#8217;s post.  I&#8217;m sure he deals with rude people all the time and just assumes that everyone is the same.  His attitude seems very isolationist, and he clearly feels that removing tourists / drivers from other states would make his life much easier.  What he fails to see is how without tourists / visitors, the economy of CO would tumble quite a bit, and those extra LE jobs wouldn&#8217;t be needed. </p>
<p>Good luck with your travels&#8230; and after hearing these stories&#8230; do you really want to move to CO?</p>
<p>Seriously you guys seem to be picking &#8220;Hard core conservative Republican states&#8221;&#8230; is there something you want to tell me?</p>
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		<title>By: RhodesTer</title>
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		<dc:creator>RhodesTer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 18:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cop in Colorado should brush up on spelling and grammar, which helps comments to carry a little more weight. Not much in his case, but at least he would just look bigoted, and not bigoted AND illiterate.

You damned hippies! With your long hair and your rock and roll..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cop in Colorado should brush up on spelling and grammar, which helps comments to carry a little more weight. Not much in his case, but at least he would just look bigoted, and not bigoted AND illiterate.</p>
<p>You damned hippies! With your long hair and your rock and roll..</p>
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		<title>By: Rene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 17:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey cranky pants, how very sad that you have nothing better to do than leave hostile comments on stranger&#039;s blogs and judge these people when you know nothing about them? 

Sheesh, with so much to do in Colorado one would think you&#039;d have better things to do. 

Heads up, we are back in your beautiful state and are buying property. Hopefully the positive energy we are bringing to Colorado will displace all the anger you&#039;re spreading around. Sad. Very sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey cranky pants, how very sad that you have nothing better to do than leave hostile comments on stranger&#8217;s blogs and judge these people when you know nothing about them? </p>
<p>Sheesh, with so much to do in Colorado one would think you&#8217;d have better things to do. </p>
<p>Heads up, we are back in your beautiful state and are buying property. Hopefully the positive energy we are bringing to Colorado will displace all the anger you&#8217;re spreading around. Sad. Very sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 17:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I wonder if &lt;strong&gt;all&lt;/strong&gt; law enforcement officials are full of such hate and anger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I wonder if <strong>all</strong> law enforcement officials are full of such hate and anger.</p>
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